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Florida & Michigan Delegates

233 Votes
  • Start Date:
    2-22-2008
  • Last Vote:
    10-5-2008

Issue:

Should the Democratic National Committee recognize the results of Florida's and Michigan's primaries and seat their delegates at the 2008 Democratic National Convention?

 

Belief:

The DNC penalized Michigan and Florida for moving their primaries to earlier dates in violation of party rules. Both states were stripped of their delegates, and the party's presidential candidates signed a pledge not to campaign in either state. Florida lost all 210 delegates, including its "super delegates"; Michigan, 156.

The DNC has said it would allow both states to hold different contests, probably caucuses. Either state also can appeal the penalty to the DNC credentials committee. It will not meet again until summer.

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I totally agree with Jackie. Here,here!

It should be out of the question to count Michigan as-is. There was only ONE name on the ballot. Nothing fair and free about that unless you are a communist dictator. People should be VERY wary of anyone who would push to try and validate these results just to win, at any cost!

GOBAMA!

why does Dean seem to be against counting Florida's vote? all the candidates were on the ballot, yet Howard is against counting our vote! An Obama ticket will elect John MaCain President this fall! to many Republicans voted for Barack in the primaries! just more dirty tricks, vote and switch. Dean's an idiot!

HILLARY BETTER BE THE CANDIDATE FOR THE DEMOCRATS, OR THIS 70 YEAR OLD, A DEMOCRAT ALL HER LIFE, WILL BE VOTING FOR MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER. I DO NOT TRUST OBAMA.

It is unfair to the people of Florida and Michigan not to count the votes they voted in good faith and a few big wigs shouldn't decide that their votes don't count. This is still the U. S. A. and we should have our rights. And I don't believe in the causus as a few people decide for everyone. Such as here in Washington Clinton was only a few votes behind Obama. I don't trust him he is all mouth and no common sence. We will have another four years of a clone of Bush if he is the selected to run. WAKE up people. We know he isn't what he has said he is from the way he stuttered when talking of his preacher.

It seems to me that FLORIDA always has major problems when it comes to voting. Are the people so ignorant that they don't know the rules, or are they just wanting to be always known as the state which does not KNOW HOW TO VOTE and FOLLOW RULES.?????

i AM SICK OF WASHINGTON PERIOD.I AM TIRED OF WORKING 2 JOBS TO PAY MY BILLS WHILE OTHERS LIVING ABOVE THEIR MEANS NEEDS ME TO FEEL SORRY FOR THEM OR THE BANKS THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THEM.I AM TIRED OF POLITICIANS SCREAMING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING WHILE LEAVING THE BIGEST PRINT OF ALL, AND FOR HEAVEN SAKES DON,T PUT UP ANY WIND TUBROS AND MESS UP THEIR VIEWS. I AM JUST TIRED.

Your problem is that you work for a living. You must be a conservative republican. Why not quit your job and let the liberals give you money and they will love you when you vote for them.

Rules are rules. Do NOT count the orginal votes and DO NOT allow a do over.
I could not vote because I was working. My job is critical to the government. I work as an airport security guard at the main gate to the active runway.

If they don't follow the rules, I want a chance to vote when I WANT TOO!

Duane Dean Texas

I lived in Florida for 20+ years and I love the State. The primary votes should not count, you know this. Your votes will count in the presidential election, and many others to come. For now, question those that made this decision for you and make sure you VOTE in people that will not make similar mistakes.

The rules are in place so that each state follows them. It would be wrong to now say those votes count. Had the votes been for Obama I'd bet the farm Hillary's wouldn't want them counted because the rules were broken. It's a disgrace that the Clintons have stooped to play so dirty. I'm ashamed of them both

They need to take responsibility for going against the rukes. If anything no do overs just 50/50 split

I'm having a vote at my house on Saturday and even though it's not approved by the DNC, the votes should be counted. Who's coming over? Would you really fall for that? If you know the DNC isn't going to count your vote, would you show up? Floridians did. Now I know why there are some many jokes about backwards Florida people.

I am happy that you are having a party at your house .. you must be a Clinton supporter why did you not have a party when the DNC created those rules to not count the votes. It appears that you and others who want to count the votes retrospectively because your candidate is behind. Hope you discuss this issue in your party unbiased.

Seriously, Rules are Rules. I live in Montana, most of us hate Grizzly Bears. We want to kill Grizzly Bears, but it's against the Rules. We didn't have any say or vote in making the rules, but if we break them we suffer the consequences. That's life in the real world folks.

It really angers me to think that my vote may not be counted. Last time I checked I was a US citizen and it is my right to have my vote counted. All my life I've been told that everyone's vote counts. Has that changed all of a sudden? It is unconscienable to think that in a democracy that over a million people's vote may not be counted. We the citizens of Florida should not stand for it! I don't care if the date was changed or not I voted and I want it counted period!

Then Jessie, vote your state representatives who chose to go against the rules out of office. They are the ones who changed the dates and for what reason. MONEY. By having the dates moved up they thought they would have more press, more advertising dollar, more state recognition, all at the expense of you and your rights. They didn't care about the consequences. Its now your job to get rid of them.

I am another person who usually does not agree with Glenn Beck or people like him, but his commentary posted on CNN.com is right on in this case. Although the FL and MI voters themselves did not make the decision to break the DNC rules about when to hold their primaries, they also did not stop their lawmakers from taking those actions. The answer here is TOO BAD! If they don't like it, then get rid of those who are truly responsible - the State legislators and executives. The only possible and fair solution to this impasse is to split the delegates from each of those states evenly between the candidates, and then move on. Anything else is a sham and unfair to one or both candidates and those of the other states and territories who followed the rules.

OK Ken, all well and good, but the only problem with your "solution" is that the majority of voters in FL did vote for Hillary and splitting those votes evenly would NOT reflect the will of those voters.Obama and Clinton were both on the ticket and Hillary won by a 50-32% margin.So, SHE should be awarded more delegates and get to count the pop. vote.MI should have a re-vote, but Obama does NOT support that....why? If he is so pro Democracy...why not? Easy...because he would lose!

Yes some solution to the Florida and Mich. vote should be worked out. I understand everyone wants to take part in such an important desision that effects our lives and livehood. Someone makes decisions that I can't control but it shouldn't take away my right to vote or the right for it to count.

Yeah, because the people of Ohio and Texas are a perfect sample group for what the people of Florida and Michigan would do.

I believe that the primaries should all be held on the same day. Why shouldn't the majority of states, and people, get to choose their favorite canidate from the entire list not just a couple of canidates that did not drop out after the first 4 or 5 primaries.

A better approach, although a little bit unorthodox,would be to allow the DNC divise a negotiated solution that would be fair to all parties involved. They can use elections in texas and Ohio as a model. Assuming that Obama would have been able to close the gap in Florida and Michigan (provided he had the opportunity to campaign there) just as he did in Texas and Ohio,and looking at the final results in delegates gained in TX/OH by both candidates, they can distribute the delegats of FL/MI accordingly: in MI, Clinto 80, Obama 76; in FL, Clinton 110,Obama 92?

The Fla and Mi votes should count and George Bush should decide, after the vote November, which states count toward electing the next president.

Sorry Florida and Michigan! You cannot manipulate change in this late date just because Hilliary isn't sweeping the states as hoped for.This kind of selfish gesture is a slap in the face to Obama supporters... In my opinion, the Hilliary campaign and her followers will stop at nothing to get her elected.Have'nt we ENOUGH of the Clinton drama! I smell dirty politicking,offensive egoes,distorted anger lurking in this political contest.Perhaps Hilliary needs to change those old,outdated shoes and stop hiding behind others who wear masks for her. It's time for a change.

The original votes should be counted. First of all, people in Florida and Michigan casted their vote in January, they did not choose the voting date, it was all set up for them. The consequences should be people in Florida and Michigan march to Washington DC and strip away Howard Dean's title!!!

I agree with you on this I hate it when a few decide for all.

I agree totally that the original votes be counted. First of all, people in Florida and Michigan casted their precious vote which was set up for them in January. People's voting right should override any rules that hinters people's wishes to reflect the true democracy.They should not be held accountable for DNC leaders' lack of foresight and wisdom.

The only reason this is an issue is because Clinton is in second place in the delegate count. Were she in first place, she would not have brought up this issue. With each passing day we get to see what the real Clinton is like. She cares for no one (not even Bill) or anything except winning this nomination at whatever cost. She is no better than the Bush Administration who change the rules and the law to suit their cause.

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