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How should the US deal with Illegal Immigration?

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  • Start Date:
    10-18-2007
  • Last Vote:
    9-5-2008

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New York Plans to issue driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants; Virginia County Votes to Deny Services to Illegal Immigrants.  Our administration is trying to get at one of America's favorite instances of tolerated lawbreaking: our de facto guest-worker program, created by the nonenforcement of immigration laws. 

 

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Joe Jonas Lover THE US SHOULD GIVE THE IMMIGRANTS A PRETTY GOOD LIFE!!!! THATS WHAT!!

The illigals have had there warning in my opion. So my answer to this is let's play "cowboys and mexians".
Give all the men with horses and ropes here in texas on week of free rain on illigals!!!! This would put a major dent and then the rest would figure out we ain't joking GO AWAY!!!! excuse the spelling

Illegal immigrants get more help from the government than legal immigrants do. I know what it takes to get here legally, stacks of paperwork, interviews at the American Embassy. I have a green card and I am proud to be here LEGALLY.

We have laws on the books to deal with the problems we are now experiencing. Write your senator and congressman.If that doesn't get results.Vote out those in power and put better ones in. WRITE RIGHT NOW! I'm your next door neighbor. jsloan1950.

I feel that congress as a start should do away with income taxes and then raise sales taxes so there will be more government revenue to deport the illigal immigrants

The laws are already passed... enforce them.

I velieve immigrants should have a amnesty, i velieve they are verry hard workers they come here to work hard and become someone in life.

I have lived where they come from... You do not even understand the basics.. They are NOT in my country to become legal citizens they are in the US for the single purpose of sending US dollars to their country. They have NO intention of being US citizens...

MichaelR(B.B.B.09)i am 100% for legal imagration.it is good for our economy and our culture.illegal imagration hurts every worker and only helps the rich and greedy.illegals are paid an unfair wage and are denied basic worker rights.this keeps the rest of us natural and immigrant alike either unemployed or working for less than a living wage.as for only working jobs we dont want.i have had to leave both construction and resteraunt work becouse of lowerd or flat wages do to illegal imagration in my state.admittedly other economic factors have had an impact.but that does not change the fact that i know of illegals working as cooks resteraunt managers and construction workers for less than i can afford to work.we have laws too protect all of use but we must have the courage to enforce them

I will ask all illegal aliens to voluntarily leave our nation through a National address on day one.
I am even providing a summary of this address below, for all Americans to review, so that there is no question about this, and they know what I am going to say and do.

"To all Illegal immigrants, Illegal aliens, undocumented immigrants and visa over-riders:
Thanks for visiting America. Now it is the time for you to leave. You are hereby urged to return to your home country voluntarily. You have 30 days from today to leave America. If you leave within the 30 days, you will have the ability, like any other, to apply for a visa, or other methods of legal entry to the United States. If you do not leave on your own, within the allotted time frame of 30 days, you will be caught, documented, and put into a national database of known offenders, that will prevent you from ever applying for legal status in the United States. It will be the mission of all American law enforcement, from local law enforcement all the way up to the federal level, to check the immigration status of anyone, for whatever reason, and deport all Illegal immigrants by any means necessary, with no possibility of ever returning to the United States, even for a visit, if you are caught here illegally. I hope this clears up any misconception. The goal is to make it so that there will be no more deaths of Americans because of Illegal immigration. There will be no more nonsense arguments like "Illegal aliens have the right to be here", there will be no Law suits condoned or allowed for illegal aliens. American civil rights are for American citizens. Again, you have the right to leave now, and if you don’t leave within the 30 day period, you will be caught; you will be documented, you will be deported, and you will be denied re-entry on any basics. This IS the only form of Amnesty you will get from this administration."

in 1954 Pesident Dwight Eisenhower deported 3 million nationals.[I believe it took two years]so WWII and Korean Veterans had a better chance at getting jobs. During the Great Depression President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of illegal aliens in order to make more jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work. for more information looK up "OPERATION WETBACK'

Id rather be in Japan

my country, canada, encourages ppl to come over, offering them a million and a half things to help them, but i've been trying to get back into school to get a better job, and all the programs i've seen all cater to "visible minorities". ****, let's face it, white ppl are now the minority in North America... and it shouldn't be that way, either.

since when was it ever ok to go to a country, exploit it's opportunities, marry into families, and then bring everyone and their cousin over with them for the wedding, keep them here, and start the process all over again... ppl don't realize that the USA is the only place left in the world with things right.

i believe after they deport them all back to mexico they should close the border decause they come here and rape our women, hurt our education, and disrespect our home. send those ungrateful brats back to were they belong.

Enforce the laws,fine employers,stop free benifits. Illegal aliens DO NOT have rights.

14 REASONS TO DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscale...

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscale...

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/...

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States . http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investig...

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/p...

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, get rid of em', We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!

Border Security and Immigration Action Plan

I will push for a constitution amendment that will ban any future attempt to for a pathway to legal status for any illegal aliens i.e Amnesty. This way no other president can impose amnesty on the american people again. We all know it does not work

NO Amnesty ever!

See bottom of the page 14 REASONS TO DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. We must secure our nation, because it makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left wide open and unlocked. Together, we the people must secure the future of the United States of America.

It’s time for some common sense
"Calling an illegal alien and undocumented immigrant is like calling a drug dealer a undocumented pharmacist."

People we stand on the edge of a true precipice. This problem is negativity affecting our Economy, our Way of life and hurting our middle class families the most. You want our Economy fixed, Fix this problem and the economy will heal it’s self. Once we are no longer supporting 20 million non tax-paying Illegal aliens, who are stressing every aspect of our infrastructure, our cost of living, our wages etc.. If this continues we will probably have to adjust our taxes necessary to maintain our communities.

Today's politicians don’t understand this Problem, since they do not live like the middle class, and are to beholden to big business and lobbyist not the people that elected them, that just wrong. Also with their millions in the bank and big houses. They don't know what is like to lose a job. That is why we need an outside view in Washington. When I Look at the current campaigns of the current candidates and I am most certain that they will do nothing about this problem even though there lot talk about it. And we will continue to suffer as a result.

We must realize that are success as country means keeping our jobs and protecting our citizens. If we can’t not do this and protect the foundation on which all is built we will fail to be a nation.

I think that is not an option and unnecessary. So we must solve this problem know then this economic uncertainly will dramatically decline.

I have seen first hand what illegal immigration can do, and watched my hometown get destroyed from this unfettered invasion of illegal immigrants. I also remember what America (and my home town) was like before these poor excuses for leaders gave it away. Please help me make it right again.

Securing the Border and Enforcing the Law:
A fundamental responsibility of the federal government is to protect its citizens.
Secure the borders that defines our nation in the first place!
A nation must enforce its laws to remain a civilized nation.
First of all, this problem is easily solved, and will be the first issue I address on day one of my Presidency, without excuses or politics of any kind. GUARANTEED.

1) Zero tolerance for Illegal immigration nationwide.
We must stop the primary reason they come here in the first the place. For instance the jobs. We can stop this by making it very expensive and very risky to employ illegal aliens to those “Americans” that employ them. Because by employing illegal labor, they are stealing from the rest of the community and contributing to the problem.

2) No Amnesty:
There will be no offer of any path to legal status for any illegal aliens.
Amnesty undermines U.S. law and policy, rewards bad behavior, and is unfair to the millions of immigrants who follow the law and are awaiting legal entry into the United States.

3) Firstly, I will pardon the border agents accused of wrong doing should they warrant it; followed immediately by looking at the conduct that caused this mess in the first place.

4) We are going to do something that every civilization has done since the dawn of time to secure its borders.

We will secure the whole border, as quickly as we can and with a true sense of urgency, this means that we will set up temporary check points, all along the whole border, one every mile, and man them with National Guard troops, With these rules of engagement: “Defend our border by any means necessary.”

Borders agents will help with patrols and man the points of entry with those same rules of engagement. “Protect American Borders.” They will be backed up by even more National Guard troops. The Nation Guard will have final say on all areas except legal points of entry.

We will use any means of surveillance necessary to provide air-tight borders; while the “border fence” is built under the rapid deployment plan.

5) Attrition and Enforcement:

Reduce the number of illegal aliens through increased enforcement against the employers of unauthorized workers. Without illegal employment opportunities being made available, fewer illegal aliens will attempt to enter the country for this purpose, and many of those illegally in the country now because of this, they will likely return home.

Self-deportation can also be maximized by cutting off all financial services to illegal aliens (no more bank accounts, no social services, no free health care, no more free money, and no ID's etc..). Stepping up the enforcement at all levels; from landlords to local law enforcement. Attrition through enforcement is a more reasonable and achievable solution, but this approach requires additional steps and the additional border security outlined above for it to work.

6) As part of a common sense policy:

I will ask all illegal aliens to voluntarily leave our nation through a National address on day one.
I am even providing a summary of this address below, for all Americans to review, so that there is no question about this, and they know what I am going to say and do.

"To all Illegal immigrants, Illegal aliens, undocumented immigrants and visa over-riders:
Thanks for visiting America. Now it is the time for you to leave. You are hereby urged to return to your home country voluntarily. You have 30 days from today to leave America. If you leave within the 30 days, you will have the ability, like any other, to apply for a visa, or other methods of legal entry to the United States. If you do not leave on your own, within the allotted time frame of 30 days, you will be caught, documented, and put into a national database of known offenders, that will prevent you from ever applying for legal status in the United States. It will be the mission of all American law enforcement, from local law enforcement all the way up to the federal level, to check the immigration status of anyone, for whatever reason, and deport all Illegal immigrants by any means necessary, with no possibility of ever returning to the United States, even for a visit, if you are caught here illegally. I hope this clears up any misconception. The goal is to make it so that there will be no more deaths of Americans because of Illegal immigration. There will be no more nonsense arguments like "Illegal aliens have the right to be here", there will be no Law suits condoned or allowed for illegal aliens. American civil rights are for American citizens. Again, you have the right to leave now, and if you don’t leave within the 30 day period, you will be caught; you will be documented, you will be deported, and you will be denied re-entry on any basics. This IS the only form of Amnesty you will get from this administration."

We will triple the number of I.C.E agents handling interior enforcement, moving some of the border patrols agents freed up by the supplement of manpower from the National Guard, to interior enforcement. Any corruption found at this level will be dealt with harshly.

It’s time to end Sanctuary Cities by cutting off all federal funds, as appropriate, to any community that offers Sanctuary to illegal aliens, and when ever possible, prosecute those who put the sanctuary policy in place.

Elimination of previous policies on “Anchor babies”, “wet foot dry foot”, “chain migration”, and see the end to NAFTA and similar ridiculous agreements that promote “border jumping” to start with.

Relentless Prosecution and conviction for members of criminal alien gangs, such as MS-13 and affiliated gangs.

Implement and expedite the “Real ID” system and Employment verification systems as quickly as possible.

It is the responsibility of ALL LEGAL persons applying for work to have and provide this information during the application process. Failure to provide it WITH your application will mean that you cannot be considered for employment UNTIL you provide these documents. There will no longer be a “10 day Grace period” for you to provide your documentation to the employer. This will prevent the ridiculous lawsuits filed by illegal aliens to be paid for the work that they performed illegally, under the false pretense of being legally able to work here, by providing falsified documents. If you have provided falsified documentation to an employer to obtain employment, they WILL NOT PAY YOU for the work that you perform, or THEY will be fined and prosecuted.

• Relentless Prosecution and conviction of employers that hire illegal aliens.

It will be the responsibility of Employers to verify that they are only hiring workers with the proper documentation, and that they are verified prior to starting work, no excuses. Employers that are found to have an inordinate amount of “false document” hires will be investigated thoroughly to make sure that they are not abusing the “Non Payment of work performed” policy for false document hires. We will not tolerate persons profiting on these policies at the expense of human lives, illegal or otherwise

• Sign an executive order

requiring the Social Security Administration to provide relevant information to all levels of immigration and law enforcement as requested. • WE WILL MAKE ENGLISH the official language of the United States, this is to promote easier assimilation, as well as to assist legal immigrants' success, and require a level of proficiency (reading, writing, and speaking) in the English language in order for any foreign person to be granted lawful permanent resident status.

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our country has every right in the world to enforce its laws and its boarders. Furthermore it has an obligation to do this for its citizens.

I love how Robin William's put it in the following comment...
"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying, 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?!'"

And I would like to add the following:
Any illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs in order to leave. After 90 days the rest will be rounded up and deported home, regardless of who they are or where they are.

All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and will be limited to a 90 day visit. No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. Sorry, the bad apples have definitely ruined it for the good ones.

No Student Visas for anyone over the age of 21. Any foreign exchange students that don't attend classes legitimately and maintain a C average or above every semester will be deported.

Withdraw our troops from all over the world and position them at our borders. They say they don't want us in their country anyway, so we'll give them what they want.

I know these sound familiar from emails floating around the internet, but I don't care. In the simplest of terms, they make sense. It's too bad these things won't ever happen.
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Darlene

http://www.ojjpac.org/illegal%20alien%20...
A must see web page in ILLEGAL CRIME NEWS

DEPORT them ALL
Then install our military to protect our borders.
All material possesions they have, need to taken from them, that they purchased here. They came here illegally, so they purchased illegally!!

http://www.ojjpac.org/illegal%20alien%20...
A must see web page in ILLEGAL CRIME NEWS

Submitted by Richard K. on Tue, 02/19/2008 - 20:02
INVASION USA
Study: 1 million sex crimes by illegals
Researcher estimates more than 100 offenders crossing border daily

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Posted: May 31, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com Based on a one-year in-depth study, a researcher estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each.
Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.

She found that while the offenders were located in 36 states, most were in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California had the most offenders, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York and Florida.

Schurman-Kauflin concluded that, based on a figure of 12 million illegal immigrants and the fact that more of this population is male than average, sex offenders among illegals make up a higher percentage than offenders in the general population.

She arrives at the figure of 240,000 offenders ? a conservative estimate, she says ? through public records showing about 2 percent of illegals apprehended are sex offenders.

"This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day," she says.

She points out the 1,500 offenders in her study had a total of 5,999 victims, and each sex offender averaged four victims.

"This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study," she declares.

Schurman-Kauflin breaks down the 1,500 cases reviewed this way:

525, or 35 percent, were child molestations

358, or 24 percent, were rapes

617, or 41 percent, were sexual homicides and serial murders
Of the child molestations, 47 percent of the victims were Hispanic, 36 percent Caucasian, 8 percent Asian, 6 percent African American and 3 percent other nationalities.

In 82 percent of the cases, she noted, the victims were known to their attackers.

"In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims' homes," she says. "Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6."

In her examination of the sex-related homicides, Schurman-Kauflin found the most common method was for an offender to break into a residence and ambush his victims.

Not only were victims raped, she said, but some ? 6 percent ? were mutilated.

"The crime scenes were very bloody, expressing intense, angry perpetrator personalities," she said. "Specifically, most victims were blitzed, rendered incapable of fighting back, and then raped and murdered. The most common method of killing was bludgeoning, followed by stabbing."

She found it especially disturbing that in 22 percent of all sex crimes committed by illegal immigrants, victims with physical and mental disabilities were targeted.

The highest number of sex offenders, according to the study, came from Mexico. El Salvador was the original home to the next highest number. Other countries of origin included Brazil, China, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico, Russia, and Vietnam.

Nearly 63 percent of the offenders had been deported on another offense prior to the sex crime, the study showed. There was an average of three years of committing crimes such as DUI, assault or drug related offenses prior to being apprehended for a sexual offense.

In 81 percent of cases, offenders were drinking or using drugs prior to offending. Rapists and killers were more likely to use alcohol and drugs consistently than child molesters.

Only about 25 percent of offenders were found to have been stable within a community. In 31 percent of the crimes, the offenders entered into the communities where they offended within two months of the commission of their sex offenses.

But many, 79 percent, had been in the U.S. for more than one year before being arrested for a sex crime. They typically were known to the criminal justice system for prior, less serious offenses before they molested, raped or murdered, the study said.

Schurman-Kauflin concludes illegal immigrants gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported.

"Those who were deported simply returned illegally again," she says.

She points out that only 2 percent of the offenders in her study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

"There is a clear pattern of criminal escalation," she said

Brenda J is dumb. deport everyone no matter where they are from? okay well the only people here will be the native americans! that is the dumbest thing i have heard in the whole history of the world! how do you think the first people got here? was it still illegal at the beginning of time! when did the word "illegal" come into place. JESUS WAS AN IMMIGRANT!

Jesus was not a freeloader, drug dealer, sex offender,theif, murder, etc, etc, etc. He did not poison people like they do. He gave us his moral values.
Take their possesions for illegally purchasing them here. Deport them all, jail the rest and then deport them after time served.
Militarize our borders NOW.

Hi I live in Ukraine, it should be all the same to me, but still I think that America consists of emigrants, so why change this tradition, give them a chance, there is enough work for everybody. You want to stop it, ok , but give greencards to people who survived for many years without it, to decent people - why not? I hate thugs and criminals too, but i doubt that all emigrants are criminals. Their children will help you in the future, why stop them, make emigration easier and maby in 10-15 years US could catch up China or India in population.
ps. sorry for my English

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