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Petition Against Simcha Felder's ProposalForum Discussion for Petition Against Simcha Felder's Proposal Submitted by Wanda P. on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 03:01
I am behind you! I can't watch another video about animal TORTURE, it's affecting my school work, my life. Submitted by Ashlynn P. on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 19:33
I was unable to watch the video because it was removed but I would like to know more about this subject. Submitted by Wesley S. on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 23:30
Thanks for letting us know about this. I support your petition. Submitted by Megan K. on Sun, 03/02/2008 - 00:46
If you care about the well-being of the wildlife you'll support the bill. Feeding wild animals disrupts eco-systems and results in a decrease in wildlife diversity. It may be nice to interact with wildlife, but feeding wildlife does more harm than good. Wild animals are not like pets. The pigeons are not going to starve if people stop feeding them. Believe me, there's enough food on the streets as is. The proposal is not cruel in the least, and it is selfish to insist on being able to feed the pigeons. Submitted by carol m. on Sat, 03/01/2008 - 03:11
I am against councelman Simcha Felder's "Curbing the Pigeon Conundrum " and "WAR" on pigeons. These animals are companion animals to many New Yorkers. His proposal is beyond cruel to both the pigeons and us humans who love them Submitted by kate b. on Wed, 02/13/2008 - 19:00
how do you sign it? i must be dumb because i can't figure it out. Submitted by David P. on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 04:03
Leave God's Children Alone Felder! I'm serious! Submitted by jann c. on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 21:51
COME ON GUYS! LETS HELP ANIMALS AND STOP CRUELTY AGAINST THEM!!!!! Submitted by Johanna C. on Tue, 12/25/2007 - 05:28
I'm a New York State Licensed wildlife rehabilitator. I have rescued and rehabilitated dozens of New York City pigeons and almost always the main reason for their illness or distress is lack of nutrition. I'm sick of even having this discussion. Pigeons, like other living creatures, do not survive on bacteria infested garbage -- yet this is what Felder so conceitedly keeps promoting. "There is plenty of garbage" he says. Meanwhile -- from a facts stand point -- hardly any of that "garbage" is suitable for a pigeon. They have very soft beaks -- they can't rip apart stale bread -- not to mention that another very common ailment in pigeons is "yeast infections" which comes from eating discarded bread. How difficult would it be for NYC to lead the way as a model city -- so blessed with such a variety of wild birds and animals -- we should revel in our amazing luck. We should care for our geese, our ducks, our squirrels, both black, grey and red. We should worry about the state of health of our sea gulls, our pigeons, our raccoons (spotted in Central Park). We should care about our environment and our little ones, our wildlife. Any other fancy footwork that says we shouldn't is simply and plainly inhumane. Let's find our humanity!!! Submitted by Laurie S. on Tue, 11/27/2007 - 02:32
The City Council should immediately reject the bill proposed by Councilman Felder that would ban the feeding of pigeons in New York City on penalty of a $1000 fine.In all the hundreds of years that pigeons and people have coexisted in New York there has never been such a ban nor any need for one and there is no need for one now.Even without such a ban New York's pigeons live on average less than a tenth of their natural life expectency. The situation is bad enough for them already. To absolutely prohibit the giving of food to these birds would be harmful and cruel. Pigeons are feral, not wildlife. They are domesticated animals bred by mankind from wild birds the same way we bred dogs out of wolves, and as ferals in our streets they deserve the same care from us as would feral dogs. They have lived among and depended on mankind for millenia, and they are an integral part of every urban environment worldwide.As to the supposed health and property dangers that the proposed legislation contends warrants it, Felder's data is incorrect. There is virtually no incidence of pigeon-born illness in New York City and after centuries of continuous pigeon habitation there has been no accummulated damage, no visible sign not erasable by washing or rain. No rational documentable reason warrants such a ban, only misinformation and dislike of pigeons that is usually based on such misinformation.Were such a ban to be enacted, those individuals who care about small groups of pigeons would have to stand by and watch the birds they have caring relationships with suffer and die. Wildlife rehabbers would be unable to lure injured pigeons to catch them to give medical care. Pigeons would suffer from lack of vitamins or protein, being left with nothing but bits of dirty discarded human junk food from our gutters.And the broader ecological consequences of this bill have not been considered at all. Without the pigeons to keep the streets clean, rats would proliferate. Even the falcons and hawks could suffer, with fewer malnourished more disease-ridden pigeons to bring to their young.I therefore strongly oppose the cruel and unnecessary ban. Submitted by Livia T. on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 15:00
I LOVE THESE PEOPLE WHO GET THEIR POSITIONS OF "IMPORTANCE" AND TRY ANYWAY THEY CAN TO GET THEIR NAME IN THE NEWS. GOING AFTER AN INNOCENT ANIMAL THAT WAS PUT HERE BY GOD FOR THIS IDIOT TO THINK HE HAS THE POWER TO DECIDE IT'S FATE ! MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE OVERPOPULATION OF HUMANS AND THE EXCESSIVE WASTES DESTROYING OUR BEAUTIFUL WORLD EVERYDAY DONE BY "HUMANS" NOT ANIMALS ! NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT THOUGH. HUMANS CAN DESTROY THE WORLD IN EVERY WAY AND THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED BUT A BIRD IS NOT ALLOWED TO LIVE BECAUSE IT POOPS ON THE STREETS THAT THESE PEOPLE WALK ON ! MAYBE THE BIRD ****S ON HIM FOR A REASON ! TELL THIS SIMCHA IDIOT THAT IT'S GOOD LUCK AND FIND A NEW WAY TO GET HIMSELF ON TV! Submitted by D W. on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 11:41
Surely there must be a way to humanely, creatively address this so that pigeons and people can live in peace. Other cities have successfully done so and their solutions should be explored. Submitted by Larry S. on Sat, 11/24/2007 - 04:13
No human has the right to euthanize or keep animals from breeding. Pigeons have a right to life just like any other God created creature. Maybe we should cut the balls off the male participants of this euthanization suggestion and keep them from breeding. We don't need people like this in government. God created birds to fly the skies and be beautiful. Let them live in peace. Are you afraid of a little bird crap? Idiots!! Submitted by Bob P. on Fri, 11/23/2007 - 18:41
This is the same clown who stated, that if there were a foie gras ban, he would make a point to "bring chopped liver to work every day". He is motivated not by reason, but by hate and thus,not qualified to be in a leadership position. Submitted by Myra H. on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 22:16
Pigeons are not dirty! I think society tries to brainwash people into thinking that pigeons are dirty. I am sick and tired of ignorant people calling them "flying rats". Pigeons are very clean and peaceful birds. They constantly groom themselves by preening and they take bird baths whenever they can find water to take baths. Come on, city dwellers, lighten up. Pigeons are beautiful creatures. They give us city slickers an opportunity to learn about nature and wildlife in our own backyards. We can't always go to the country, so what is a better opportunity to watch pigeons. Pigeons are so much fun to be around. Once pigeons get to know you, they want to be with you. You need to give them a chance. Submitted by Joseph P. on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 00:09
Joanna Tierno is an extremely dedicated friend to all animal life and especially to the pigeon population. She also influences many to follow in her path to create better lives for our feathered friends. I've known her for three years and have never met anyone as sweet and caring and knowledgeable about pigeon culture and their way of life. It is very important to understand what Joanna is trying to accomplish here and to help her to win in this battle. I would just like all to know that I agree with Joanna Tierno and offer all of my support to her most worthy cause...Joseph Pereira Submitted by Joanna T. on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 05:06
Pigeons were brought to the United States by the first settlers. It is thought that they originated in Southern Asia. They have a typical lifespan of about 15 years, and the oldest known pigeon lived to be 33 years old. Like most humans, pigeons have a strong sense of family and devotion to their children. They mate for life, and both parents care for their young. They flock in large numbers in order to protect themselves against cats, hawks, owls, and rats. During breeding season, when there are many baby birds, both male and female pigeons produce milk in their crops, and all parents will feed all babies, whether or not they are their own. Pigeons are known to be very intelligent. They quickly commit new images to memory and organize information in the same way that humans do. They can even distinguish between paintings of different styles and by different artists. Pigeons also have excellent vision. They can see not just color, but also ultraviolet light. They can see far better than humans can and also are able to concentrate on a visual task for many more hours than we can—a discovery that led to a joint Coast Guard and Navy venture called Project Sea Hunt, in which pigeons were used to spot orange life vests at sea. By sensing the Earth’s magnetic field through the use of a magnetic “map” inside their beaks, pigeons are able to return to their home roosts even when released in a new location several thousand miles away. The ancient Egyptians and Romans used pigeons as reliable messengers, Reuters News Service was originally created with a network of message-carrying pigeons, and pigeons have been used to carry messages in times of war. In World War I, a pigeon named Cher Ami delivered a vital message to the famous “Lost Battalion.” Cher Ami saved nearly 200 human lives but was shot on his way and was blinded and lost a leg on his final flight. In World War II, a pigeon named GI Joe saved at least 1,000 allied soldiers’ lives by making it back to camp in the nick of time carrying a message that allied troops had just occupied a city about to be bombed. He was awarded the ****in Medal for gallantry by the Lord Mayor of London. Pigeons are beloved in books and film and have been featured in many movies, including the Michael Landon film Where Pigeons Go to Die and the Charlton Hestonfilm The Pigeon That Took Rome. The 2005 Valiant tells the story of a pigeon hero in the Royal Air Force. Humans have long recognized the likable qualities of pigeons and have made pigeons a large part of their lives. Such “pigeon fanciers” include Queen Elizabeth II, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Yul Brynner, Marlon Brando, Tony Curtis, Elvis Presley, Charles Darwin, Walt Disney, Claude Monet, and Pablo Picasso. Submitted by Joanna T. on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 02:58
http://www.geocities.com/joannacats/propigeonvideos.html Some pigeon videos I made Submitted by Cynthia R. on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 23:47
Great videos and photos Joanna. If people stopped to look at pigeons properly they would understand what individual, gentle and intelligent birds they are. Submitted by Joanna T. on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 01:42
To all those who think they are "just pigeons" and don't understand the fuss, people who feed and care for pigeons form a bond- no different than many experience with other pets. Some pigeons are considered wild but in my experience they can be easier to tame than cats or dogs. They have personality. They entertain. They will wait for you in the same place each day or some even will follow people they know. They will eat from your hand, and tame birds like my Tony know his name, come when called, give kisses & cuddle. He even coos in response to our voices. They are great parents and they do grieve the loss of a loved one. People like us who love pigeons are fiercely protective of this completely misunderstood bird, and that's why so many of us are doing all we can to protect them. Anyone who has ever loved an animal should understand exactly how we feel. Loading People... |