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Remove Pic of MuhammadForum Discussion for Remove Pic of Muhammad 123456789…next ›last » Submitted by Leah J. on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 19:28
I looked at some images of Muhammad and thought for the most part they were respectfully done, like some images of Jesus. Neither are meant to offend only inform. If there are negative comments, chances are they come from uninformed people who are afraid of things they don't understand. We'll all be judged in the end for our own behavior, don't become ignorant to prove a point. Submitted by Richard C. on Tue, 08/12/2008 - 00:45
Since most of the comments of the creator of this petition can no longer be read, I'm not sure exactly what they are getting at. However, there are some (1) The truth is its own defense. (2) In countries with freedom of speech, no one has (3) People of any religious conviction need to come to (4) Those who seriously believe that their religious (5) Those who appreciate living in a country with I think this pretty much covers my position on this Submitted by Muhammad Q. on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 17:51
We respect Jesus Christ PBUH and in the same way we expect you to respect our Prophet PBUH Submitted by azzo z. on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 05:35
i think it should be removed, i know that some people think muslims are those people who kill, kidnap and hijack but if we look at the world as a whole they aren't the only people with such acts, i'm a muslim i never killed, hijacked or kidnapped anyone but people think of me as a criminal, why? only because i'm a muslim, i have a lot of american friends i'm glad that they don't think of like that and they respect me and my beliefs very much and so do i and i know it's hard for you to understand me and it's your right to worry about your families and friends but you people should know that not all muslims are alike. Submitted by Nevin M. on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 08:40
Amy W.------Did you make that stuff up? Where do you come up with this stuff? Submitted by amy w. on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 03:50
Pause for a moment, Refelct back. These are actual events from history that really happened. All were committed by Muslim Male Extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by muslim male extremist.2. 1972 at the Munich Olympics, Athletes were kidnapped and massacred by muslim male extremist.3. 1979 The U.S. Embassy in Iran was taken over by muslim male extremist.4. 1980's During this time a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by muslim male extremist.5. 1983 The U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut was blown up by muslim male extremist.6. 1985 TWA Flight 847 was Hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy Diver trying to rescue passengers was murderd by muslim male extremist.7. 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by muslim male extremist.8. 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by muslim male extremist.9. 1993 The World Trade Center was bomed the first time by muslim male extremist.10. 1998 The U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by muslim male extremist.11. September 11, 2001 four airliners were hijacked two were used as missles to take down the World Trade Centers, and of the remaing two, one crashed into the U.S. Pentagon, and the other was diverted and crashed by the brave passengers who all perished. THOUSANDS of people were killed that day by muslim male extremist.12. 2002 The US. fought a war in Afghanistan against muslim male extremist.13. 2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murderd by you quessed it muslim male extremist.No I really dont see a pattern here to justify fear and profiling do you!?!?!So to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on kiliing us our children, family, they dont care if your a Democrat or Republcan!!! Airport Screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people Absolutely No Profiling!!! They must conduct random searchers of 80 year old woman, little kids, 85year old Congressmen with metal hips,and Medal Of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss. Think about it the next time you or a loved on gets on a plane! But leave Muslim Males between the ages of 17 and 40 alone lest we be guilty of profiling! History has a strange way of repeating itself, Wouldnt you say? And now for the award winning act of stupidity of all times the people want to elect to the most powerful position on the face of the planet The President Of The United States Of America!!! A MUSLIM MALE EXTREMIST BETWEEN THE AGE OF 17 and 40!!! Something for the Obamabots to "think" about: OBAMA – LIAR, LIAR: 1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/080115/issues.html?.v=1Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth. 5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_ Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in islam'" http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie....) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago:Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies. 'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11,2001?Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was 'desecrated' when an over worked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well, I don't. I don't care at all. I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for chopping off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide .I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:I don't care..When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat,and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it-I don't care !!If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends.Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add:'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem' --Ronald Reagan. I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I hope you forward all this.'If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.' Also by. Ronald Reagan One last thought for the day:In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the Anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, he said: 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many wantin...and how many want out.'The last thing, by the way, that we should do is to elect a muslim as President of the United States, someone who claims to love America yet,WILL NOT salute the flag, WILL NOT pledge allegiance to our flag, and sat in a church listening to a 'pastor' that HATES America! Are you Freakin' kidding me?Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM. AMEN! Here's something to pause and reflect about. The second worst terrorist attack in our history was also committed by an exetremist between the age of 17 and 40. April 19, 1995!! Oklahoma City. Unfortunately for people who think there is some specific link between Islam and religious violence, Timothy McVeigh was a very devout Christian. So I ask you, is Islam the enemy or religious exetremism in general. Being a student of religious studies, I would have to vote for the latter. I would hope people like Amy W. pause and reflect about that, but their ears are shut. I've got a prayer for you...that our grandchildren never have to live in the same atmosphere of intolerance and fear that we have built around ourselves with regards to religion. That they will never have to think in terms of "us and them." But without action now, this cannot happen. The picture should be removed. Submitted by Zachary L. at Facebook on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 23:48
the pictures should be removed because if someone put up pictures that insulted Jesus or Christianity you guys would be screaming for them to be removed. The other problem is the fact that other religions will not make insulting comics involving Jesus because they almost all feel he was a good person and teacher.(most do not think he was anything more than a normal human) If we are going to talk about what religions have caused more people to get killed Christianity would have to be number one on the list. (Spanish Inquisition & The Crusades). The laws in the united states do not prevent anyone from praying in school all they stop is students from being forced to pray or have others religious ideals forced on them. The ten commandments should not be in any government locations because the commandments are part of just a few religions and should not be forced on people that don't believe in them. Submitted by Ali H. on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 00:13
I believe that Jesus was here first!! an if you want your picture up go back to where it came from...Jesus is Lord Here...so get packing back to where ever you came from...This is A in God we trust Country..Ever notice when they took God out of school..the kids are killing each other now? hmmmm yeah Submitted by Lulu L. on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 15:49
And if we take this piture down, we should take pictures of Jesus down, or St. Paul, or Moses, or Vishnu. One thing simply can't be censored. If it is, then ALL must be as well. Submitted by sidra k. on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 09:17
WHAT.... if non-muslims insult others religious beliefs n holy personalities.............thay r taught to do this.........THE RESPECT AND REVERNAVCE OF MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H) IS ABOVE ALL THESE THINGS.............let the ppl.......suffering from ISLAMOPHOBIA...be suffered.....ha ha ha Submitted by Bill L. on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 06:16
Let us first look at all these different gods that mankind has created and is still creating. If you don`t like the faith you have been following then start up another one, make up another god.Look back in history the Danes, Greeks, Romans all had a set so why can`t you? Just remember Man made all these gods and god never made Man willieyum Submitted by sidra k. on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 09:09
I think..........now we ppl should go for a discussion on holocaust........it would me more interesting,if it is supported by cartoons.......then imagine.....how funny it would be to look at tahat cartoons.....ymmmmmmmmmmmmm Submitted by Arhum T. on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 11:59
Remove them if you believe in respecting other ppls religion!!! Submitted by DAVIS G. on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 00:35
The Western world has no respect for Islam, leave the pictures posted, they are funny to look at. Submitted by Kabule k. on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 04:39
Is this still an issue or an opportunity for bigots of the world to proclaim that their religion and god is better than others? Simple solution, if the picture (anyway, these images are imagination only as camera was not invented then) offend you, do not look at them. Since you are a true believer in your religion and power of your great god (or whatever you call him), the people who do bad things against your religion will be taken care by your god by burning them in hellfire for eternity. So why worry? Live in peace, bros and sisters . Let the baddies pay the price when they die and let them do whatever they want while they are here!!! Submitted by amy w. on Sun, 06/22/2008 - 06:31
Yeah that would be great if the christians in this country were givin the same respect. Our children arn't allowed to pray in school or at school related functions,graduations etc. Least we upset someone. We cant hang the ten commandments in a state or federal courthouse or office anymore. Rules that God set forth for use to have laws on the land that make pretty god sense like thou shalt not kill, steal, etc. but we should just chill out and let everybody else have freedom of religon while we sit back and loose our right to freedom of expression but it's a free for all for everybody else why dont everybody else chill out and let us have our freedom if it's no big deal????? Submitted by DAVIS G. on Mon, 05/26/2008 - 03:50
We all enjoy looking at silly and false creatures, don't remove them. Submitted by David S. on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 22:39
all religions are silly, everyone hates everyone else. my God can kick your Gods butt. No one is exactly 100% sure that their religion is the right one. what ever happen to compassion for others. Christ wouldnt ask me to hate someone because they didnt belive the way i believe, just love them unconditionally just like he would do. Submitted by Kabule k. on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 12:00
Well said David. Submitted by Ray E. on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 14:50
Kabule, you forget we live in America. The idea of respecting another person's ideas and feelings might as well be thrown out the window and be used to clean up the glass. People in America(And in alot of other countries, mostly dictator societies and anarchies.) want to control as much as they can. They try to hard to control instead of going with the flow. This is why I've lost all hope for humanity(Or at least Americans.). Submitted by Ray E. on Sat, 05/10/2008 - 03:08
Why should we take out that picture? If a Christian is going to be offended by that picture, then just simply don't look at it. Don't create un-needed controversy. Also, can someone please give me a link to the picture that is soo offending? I don't see what the problem is. Submitted by ana celia e. on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 23:06
Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in. Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota. The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library. Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources. There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli. Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states. Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women and children could be collected. Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow. Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery. When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria. Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations. Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors. Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy. In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise." For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800. Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action. In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy. Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, We fight our country's battles in the air, on land and sea." It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad. Submitted by Ona T. on Thu, 05/29/2008 - 17:48
ana, There has always been a history of bitter war between Muslims and other religions, who they call "Infidels". This goes back centuries to the time when the Arab tribes became united under strong tribal chiefs and Mohammad's preachings, which were recorded in the Koran. However, one must remember that all of our religions, Christian, Jewish and Muslim all have the same roots - the Old Testament. That's our root, our basic unifying factor. It's after that where we split into three distinct religions.Christians followed the teachings of Jesus Christ. Muslims followed the teachings of Mohammad. But again, we all have the same basic root - the old testament. That again is our unifying factor, if only we would recognize it! But we don't. For in the Koran, it says that Muslims should bring Islam to the world. And at the time of its writing, Islam's main competitor was Christianity. So the Jihad was to convert people to Islam, no matter what, and if necessary, by the sword. The primary/base city of Christianity (of those times - around 650 AD) was Jerusalem. There the Church of the Resurrection, the place that held the cave where Christ was resurrected, was the most elaborate and beautiful church in the world. Also there were many other beautiful Christian churches in the city, for it was a place of pilgrimage for those of the Christian faith. And above the city was the Temple Mount, the historically important site where the two Jewish temples stood before they were destroyed - the last one destroyed at the time of Christ, the place where there was a rock outcropping; a rock where it was said where Abraham was about to sacrifice his son and his hand was stayed by and Angel of God. So this place was important to both the Jewish and Christian faiths, as well as to the Islamic faith. When the Muslims defeated the Christians for control of the city, they wanted to outdo the Christian churches and create the most beautiful and elaborate shrine ever known in the world, a shrine called the Dome of the Rock - again the place where Mohammad was reported to have ascended into heaven riding on his horse while accompanied by the archangel Gabriel. And they did - the shrine was beautiful, a testament to Islamic designers, engineers and artisans. It showed off the Rock and also had a stairway down to a small cavern where Mohammad lived for a time. The area around this cave is called The Well of Souls. The Shrine, The Dome of the Rock was and still is one of the most beautiful edifices in the world, one that should have been included as one of the Wonders of the World. Other history of this shrine, is that during the crusades when the Christians retook Jerusalem for a time, they took over the Shrine and thankfully did not destroy this historic structure. One other fact of this shrine is that with keeping with the Koran's teachings about graven images, you will not nor ever find drawings, paintings or mosaics of any animal, bird, insect or human in the shrine. This is forbidden by the holy Koran, the book of the Islam faith. This is why people who follow Mohammad are adamant that no image of Mohammad, nor his apostles appear anywhere - in newsprint, in books, in art nor on the internet. To them this is a one of the worse sins you can do against people of their religion. However, if you recall your Bible and what I said about all three religions having their roots in the Old Testament, we all basically follow the Ten Commandments - those laws that God gave Moses. The Commandment referring to creating Idols and worshipping them. We all follow them, but different sects might interpret them differently - for example, Catholics are allowed to create statues, however they do not worship the statue, they worship the person who the statue represents. While the Eastern Orthodox Church frowns on this practice, they allow the worshiping of Icons. So, it's just a matter of that's allowed and what's not. For the Islamic faith, their beliefs are the strongest - they decry any shape or form of a graven image, especially any image of their prophet, Mohammad. So what to do about Wickipedia and its posting of a picture depicting Mohammad? In a True Democratic Society, there is Freedom of Religion. There must be a Separation of Church and State for a true Democratic Society of exist. If a particular religion controls a state, then that religion's laws must be followed, no matter how archaic they are, no matter how ancient, how long ago they were written. Times have changed. Society has changed. We are no longer in the dark ages when Religion was needed to unify tribes. This unification prevented wars, prevented needless bloodshed. If you look at the past, the basic unifying factor was Religion; be it paganism - the Grecian Gods, the Roman Gods, or later on Judaism, then Christianity, Islam, and the world's other great religions, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhism and Confucianism. to prevent needless bloodshed. Is this neceessary today? Perhaps. But the basics are not. Today religion is mostly for individuals, for individual development, for spiritual development. I myself am a Christian, but I do not go to church. But I consider myself to be a highly religious person. I pray everyday. I practice the tenets of the bible. I am generous to those who need help. I abhor violence. I am a peaceful person. I want to explore my spiritulaty. I do not want wars. I do not like what I see happening in Iraq, Iran and Afganistan. Why? Why are these people killing others all in the name of religion? Why, when all our books say we shall not murder or kill? Yet these people go on suicide missions setting off bombs in crowded bazaar, roadside bombs to injure American troops. Why are they using "Islam" and "Jihad" as an excuse? Why aren't the great Imams of the Islamic world advising their faithful followers to cease and desist? WHY? Anyway, here on the Internet we have a Democratic Society - there is Freedom of Religion. No religion dictates rules that the Internet must follow. So taking everything I've written into account above - idolatry, graven images, Jihad,Religion, Jerusalem, it all comes down to this, yes this - Freedom of Religion. And on the Internet we need freedom of Religion. So in my HUMBLE OPINION, I think that the picture of Mohammad should stay on Wickipedia. But with a disclaimer on why it's there - and why it's offensive to the those followers of the Islamic Religion. In fact, going there they should put up a warning page to warn those going to the page that there is objectionable material to those of the Muslim Faith and that they should not enter the website. But others may by hitting the ENTER KEY. That would work, wouldn't it? Ona Tunes Submitted by chandro b. on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 14:45
Sorry, I could not follow your line of reasoning. You seem to equate some bad muslims with all muslims, equate muslims with Islam, and draw some unwarranted inference about Jefferson & Quran that is not supported by the cited evidence. Can the Bible be held responsible for what the christians have done? Is Bible responsible for the Europe-led crusades or, for the Inquisitions before the renaissance or, for the atrocities inflicted to fellow christians in the clash between rival denominations? I am sure President Bush would not agree with similar thesis which can be inferred about him using your logic - he was seen with a Quran and he is fighting muslims in Iraq & Afghanistan. Making slaves is forbidden with highest sin in Islam but sadly, who cares. You have not touched upon the question whether there were other pirates as well besides muslims, and whether milk & honey was awaiting for the slaves in USA. I feel ashamed for the atrocities of making slaves - I must say. Submitted by Dick A. on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 02:30
I agree with Chandro B. Where are you getting all of this information? Do we dare believe any of it without seeing the source? There are good Muslims and a few bad ones that only call themselves Muslims. This is the case in every religion. I am proud to say that I have Muslim men and ladies all over the the world that I have met on the Internet and a few person to person and I put high value on my friendship with them. I even talk on the Internet with this lady from Iran. She lives in Tehran and hates it there. She says there is much smog and pollution and it is a very crowded city. The Irainians have morality police that comes down very hard on men and ladies simply sitting together in the park or whereever. The people do not like this type of control but it is not their fault. Actually you made a very eloquent post ana celia e and I do not doubt that you can produce evidence. I studied American history and World history and I never remember reading anything such as this but my memory may have failed me. The fact still remains that one can not blame all Muslims for what a few did and the same goes for Christianity or any other religion. I remember reading that most of the slave ships that came to America bringing African slaves were Dutch Jews. That is not to say all Jews are bad also but I certainly am not happy with the Jewish Mafia in the government of the Netherlands covering up for the evil rapist murderers of American teanager Natalee Holloway in Aruba. I will hate the Dutch Jews who set these vicious savages called Joran van der Sloot and his evil father Paulus van der Sloot free who was a judge in Aruba until he was asked to leave, for the rest of my life. Van der Stratten was chief of police in Aruba when this happened and best friends with Paulus van der Sloot. This sorry ass Dutch Jew who was supposed to serve and protect helped the van der Sloots burn the body most likely in the crematorium of the poor innocent girl to cover for his evil best friend and his twisted son who confessed on tape to the crime and laughed about it trashing this innocent girl's reputation. Van der Stratten suddenly resigned and returned to Holland a few days after the slaughter of this young girl. This would have been the biggest case of his life. Of course a jew owned the crematorium. Then you have more Jews involved. Policeman Jacobs asked Natalee's family how much money they had to give him when they pleaded with him to find their daughter only a day after she was brutally raped and murdered. Yet another Dutch Jew name Karen Jenson who was supposed to prosecute these rapist murderers but did everything she could to impede the investigation. The list goes on and on, Jew after Jew. All of the Dutch trash Americans out on the Internet calling us retardos, European rejects, and every other filthy name and continously trash this innocent dead American girl's reputation. This girl did not even date very much and planned on being a Pediatrician until she was drugged, raped, and murdered by these animals. These cowards would not dare do this person to person or they would get a taste of what Hitler did to them. These cowardly people who depend on America for protection and miltary aid claim to be friends of America or so the government does. With friends such as these scumbags we do not need any enimies. I do not hate the Jews here or in Israel but I do not care what anyone thinks I hate the entire country of Holland and wish that America would kick them out of NATO and stop supporting them. It is people such as these in Holland who probably provoked Hitler. They have provoked me and millions of Americans. Do not believe for 1 minute that there are millions of American men and ladies who would love nothing better than to kill all involved in this horrible crime. They want to hold world court in the Hague and are mad because America told them they would invade Holland if they ever attempted to put 1 US soldier on trial. They have leagalized prostitution and drugs but are supposed to judge the rest of the world? Not in this life. Loading People... |