Still waiting for th photo of seals on a dock.

G.B. that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, I don't need a permit to buy ammunition to buy ammo because I've got one.

Post a photo where the pelts are being landed, liar.

Wesley, a hunting permit and a PAL are two seperate things. A PAL is a permit to allow to to posses and operate a firearm. A hunting license is a particular permit to allow you to hunt an animal. For example, if I was to hunt moose, I would need a hunting permit to hunt said moose, but also a PAL to purchase ammo/gun used.

I can buy ammunition anytime I want, and I don't have to tell anyone what I use it for. Because I have a PAL.

So before you get on your high horse and use that dandy little google button, make sure you have your facts straight.

Also everytime I've ever seen (operative word here) the seal hunt, Newfoundlander sealers have brought their pelts back to the government wharf to be sold. There were never any black market pirate ships that buy pelts on the high seas. Our sealers don't hunt in International waters, nor are they anywhere near them. Most sealers obtain their catch within a 30min steam away from shore.

And as far as Danny goes, get on with the **** you spew with him and see how far it takes you. I was at a hockey game last year, and he was on the ice with a brand new seal skin coat right after the infamous Paul McCartney **** up.

And have fun trying to get Canada, or any other country for that matter, to change their policy and stop money from coming in. Have fun with that, and maybe one day when your old and grey, sipping brandy in your 500k willowdale home, you'll wake the **** up.

Where have I lied?

I have pointed out how several of your coments are untrue... Are you suggesting that no pelts are landed or that I don't have a picture of it?

So show a photo where the pelts are being landed, liar.

Sorry the urls don't work anymore.

March 29, 2008
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http://www.telegraph.co.u k/news/main.jht...
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The story contains a video with quotes from seal hunters who are quite clearly using the hakipik
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Here is the url for today's news video, not for the squeamish
http://www.telegraph.co.u k/portal/ttv/ne...

hey ****... which pictures do you think they'll take and post.. the ones of the acceptable practices or the questionable ones? "every Photo shows the pelts not being landed" Do you believe what you are saying? The more you type the more I realize why every cause can find followers...

"in order to sell ammunition the buyer has to show he has a hunting liscence and for what animal and he has to show that he has been granted a quota for that animal."

Are you an idiot, simple, or just slow. What you say here is completely inaccurate... I won't say that you are a liar as I don't think you're lying… your obviously stupid but I’m unsure if you believe what you are saying. I stated both times that you need a license but you do not need a hunting license... there’s a difference. You don't have to have a moose license, a bear license, a small game license or any HNUTING license to buy ammunition you fool!!!

The bulk of the Canadian Baby Seal hunt is baby seals with the white coats. Every photo shows the pelts not being landed, but loaded onto a ship.

Here you go liar, straight from the Canadian Criminal Code AND A VALID PERMIT.

(2) Despite subsection (1), a person under 18 years old may purchase ammunition if he or she presents at the time of purchase the valid identification required under subsection (1) and a valid permit issued to him or her under subsection 110 (6) of the Criminal Code (Canada). 1994, c. 20, s. 2 (2).

Who Y is a liar

"Canadians must provide a legible copy of their PAL (both sides: photo, photocopy, or computer scans are all acceptable) or business firearms license with all orders for ammunition. We cannot process your order without this proof of eligibility to purchase ammunition."

http://www.marstar.ca/amm o-etc/index.sht...

http://www.canlii.org/on/ laws/sta/1994c....

Deborah K. Newfoundland and Labrador and/or the Federal Government of Canada could stop the hunt by making it illegal to bring money that has been made from selling seal pelts into Canada. The illegal act becomes brining the money into Canada because once the money does enter Canadian borders then at that point Canada does have jurisdiction. So even though Canada doesn't have jurisdiction if sealers sell the pelts at sea, it does have jurisdiction over any money that is brought into Canadian borders. All they have to do is pass a law declaring it illegal for any money to be brought into Canada that has been made by sealing even though the sealing happened outside Canada. There are many laws that are similar where Canada doesn't have jurisdiction what they do is make the procedes from the sale illegal.

Wesley it seems like most of the protesting morons are against the hunt in it's entirety and not simply poaching. It's foolish to suggest that all sealers break the law as it's just as foolish to write the Premier... I'm pretty sure he, among many other local politicians, proudly wears a seal skin coat and won't be silly enough to agree or even listen to a fool who generalizes about what everyone does on the ice. If you think that every fishing boat involved in the seal hunt has a rendezvous at sea to sell white coats you're an idiot... can't you recognize how foolish the comment is or is you're head to far up your ass to notice?

I was not lying about needing a license to buy ammunition; you DON'T need a HUNTING license to buy bullets... you do need a Possession and Acquisition license to buy a gun or bullets but you don't have to have a hunting license… is that clear?

For those who wish to contact Newfoundland and Labrador's Premier and make your feelings known address,

Premier Danny Williams
The Office of the Premier
Confederation Building, East Block
P.O. Box 8700
St. John's, NL
Canada
A1B 4J6

Phone: (709) 729-3570
Fax: (709) 729-5875
premier@gov.nl.ca

Just to make it clear, Atlantic Sealers are breaking the law. Fisheries and Oceans can not enforce anything that happens outside Canada's borders. The baby seals are sold at sea. People want the white fur coats. I'm am sick and tired of sealers hiding behing Fisheries and Oceans regulations. According the Newfoundlanders, if there is a law against stealing, then I can't be stealing, can I? They do hunt baby seals. That's the majority of seals they hunt. Sealers break the law, period. They break the law by killing baby seals. Sealers break the law by selling the pelts at sea. Sealers use hakipiks. Guns ruin the pelts, except for high powered rifles with hard point bullets that don't leave big holes in the pelt. When a high powered rifle misses a vital organ, the animal is stunned and unconscious and is skinned alive.
http://www.harpseals.org/

Who Y says "Does anyone have a problem with an individual killing a single animal with an adequate caliber riffle and using the entire animal? If so, where or when does it become wrong and why? Look six inches upwards, it's called the issue section.

Who Y is lying when he says you do not need a liscence to buy ammunition in Canada. Don't try, you'll be breaking the law. As for poaching gee haven't we been saying all the time? What do you think we've been talking about picking daisies?

Are baby seals and adult seals skinned while still alive? You bet they are. The animal may look dead but they are often only unconscious. An animal who is shot or clubbed either dies, is wounded but still able to move or goes into shock. The hunter isn't a veternarian, he can't tell if the animal is dead or just unconscious. They only know the animal is still alive if it able to move after being shot or clubbed. The problem is that hunters want to stay on the ice for as short as time as possible. Ice can break apart or a crack in the ice could develop underneath them at anytime. As soon as the animal looks dead, that's enough. When you watch film, you see sealers running to get back close to the boat as soon as possible. The red line in the ice that you see in photos is the entire carcass being dragged back to the boat. They are skinned near the boat for safety reasons. Not that I blame them for that. Have you ever wondered why sealers use rifles? Shotguns would guarantee a kill but ruin the pelt. High powerful rifles can use bullets that expand but the problem is expanding bullets come out the other side and leave a large hole in the pelt when they emerge. High powered rifles that don't use hollow bullets often don't hit vital organs but the force is enough to render the animal unconscious. The hakipik is a long sharp pick on the end of a long handle. Hunters don't know whether they have killed or stunned the animal. If it looks dead, that's good enough.

If I understand correctly you are suggesting that you are against poaching and a hunt without controls or regulation rather than the seal hunt itself? That is no different than any hunt; I am against poaching and it turns my stomach to hear about moose sneers or hearing about an animal being shot and left because the rack is not adequate but that suggests that controls are required not an end to a hunt.

Wesley, you are incorrect about having to show a hunting license to buy ammunition, at least in Canada, you can purchase for target practice and therefore do not require a hunting license...

The issue of seals eating part or all of a cod, the jobs it creates, and the decline of the cod fishery are separate topics, I still haven’t seen anyone state a legitimate reason to stopping the seal hunt… unless it’s that there are some cases of abuse or cases of ignoring the laws and if that’s the justification it’s just as well protest the hunting of anything anywhere…

Does anyone have a problem with an individual killing a single animal with an adequate caliber riffle and using the entire animal? If so, where or when does it become wrong and why?

Deborah K is correct, first, the claim that seals only eat part of the cod is a lie. Even Fisheries and Oceans admits that cod remains found are what passed through the seal. The cod remains are Cod feces that go through without being fully digested. Second Derek P, everytime you post you have a different job that proves you know what is going on. What is the name of the store where you sell rifles? They all have to have a liscense to sell firearms and this is public information, so name, address and vendor license number to sell firearms please. Oh by the way I forgot, in order to sell ammunition the buyer has to show he has a hunting liscence and for what animal and he has to show that he has been granted a quota for that animal. I'd be really interested in writing the Department of Justice with your stores name and number and see what licsences for which animal was recorded. If it turns out to be moose and deer licenses that would be interesting to know.

I'm going to step in here and say that I have seen the seal hunt myself and seen baby seals killed and their pelts taken to ships where they are sold. The film that shows baby seals being killed was shot this year by the "Farley Mowatt" The pelts are not landed and therefor not regulated. Write and ask Fisheries and Oceans and they will say themselves that they can't regulate that doesn't happen in Canadian waters. Secondly the codfish population has not come back because of overfishing disease. To correct overfishing, Fisheries and Oceans has put in place a very strict limit on codfish. For several years the quota was zero or in otherwords fishermen were not allowed to catch any cod at all. Stricts quoats have been in place for over ten years now but the codfish numbers still continue to decline. The reason is that jackcod, cod that have mostly grown up but are not able to breed yet are the victims of a disease. Almost all jackcod are victims of this disease and no one knows for certain what causes the disease. The following website shows what jackcod look like now and what they are supposed to look like. A photo is worth a thousand words, the photo of the jackcod shows what is really killing off codfish. You don't need a Phd in biology to see that there is something seriously wrong with these fish.
http://www.fisherycrisis. com/

I just wanted to say that I've followed this issue on a lot of discussion boards for many years now. Sometimes I engage in the debate, but quite often I steer clear when the argument is based on opinions and emotions rather than facts.

I do have to say that I've rarely encountered someone as ignorant as "Deborah K". Deborah, you've not presented one relevant fact to help support your position. You've not made one point that garners any support whatsoever for your position or for those that share your opinion. You've succeeded in making yourself look absolutely foolish. Your ignorance is completely inhibiting your ability to make a reasonable point. I'm amazed... I really am.

I won't rehash the issues nor regurgitate the facts, since they're readily available online from non-partisan 3rd party sources - sources that don't depend on income from grisly images being plastered all over the media with the sole purpose of influencing the weak minded.

Deborah and others, I suggest you do some real research into the Canadian seal hunt and gather some facts. Your constant reference to seal hunters as "murderers" shows that you truly know very little about this industry, and the people/consumers that depend on it.

You say you've bowed out in seek of some intelligent conversation - yet you hypocritically post snide remarks and aggressive accusations. Well done.

Actually it's you that have nothing intelligent to say. You've resorted to labeling a group of people as "inbreds" "freaks" and "thugs".
You also haven't responded when I've asked perfectly reasonable questions regarding proper nutrition in your vegan diet (out of interest).

In fact, you haven't actually posted ANYTHING factual. Tell me logically why it's ok for a seal to tear the bellies out of a cod and leave the rest of it to rot, but wrong for men to kill seals for food and pelts. Or why it's totally fine for a killer whale to play with the seal tossing it around, slowly torturing it until it dies? Aren't we all animals, really? If it's that ridiculous of a notion, it should be easy for you to respond to.

Give me scientific evidence that "a person doesn't have to eat animal products to be healthy" that refutes thousands of years of diet. Back your ignorant comments up.

But have fun with your intelligent friends, think of a few more groups of people to insult. I'll be here frying up a few flippers for supper. Chock full of protein, calcium, Iron, Magnesium and b12.

Oh yeah, also good luck with trying to stop the seal hunt from australia. As long as there is a market for seals, all the countries that have access to them will continue to hunt. Don't get mad at the ones who hunt - if you really want to stop it, go after the ones who buy the pelts.

The description of this thread displays the ignorance out there and demonstrates how misleading information can create a following despite being non factual:

“There is no reason to club a baby seal that is less than a month to death except for the fact that is when their pelts are the highest quality”
The white coat hunt is illegal and they aren’t clubbed… I’d like to sign a petition to force people to get some facts before they start ranting.

Honestly – what is the objection? Is it the manner or killing, the age of the animals, or the utilization of the animal? I’ve yet to understand the point; if all you protestors were assured that the animals were shot rather than clubbed, if you were assured that there were no white coats involved in the hunt, and if you were assured that the majority of the animal was used would the hunt be acceptable then? I have no time for animal cruelty but this cause is just moronic; if I find a video of someone inhumanely slaughtering a lamb would the world stand up and cry foul or would they look at the facts first?