"Secondly, the incestuous father and daughter are freaks and would feel right at home in Newfoundland." If someone said the same thing about any other group or region you'd probably be offended. As for saying your piece, forgive me for not getting it, you didn't really reply to my post - Are you against the manner of killing seals, the utilization of the animal, the age of the animals being taken in the hunt, or the killing of animals in general? I don't get your point or you haven’t made it clearly…

The government has not banned protestors from observing the hunt, they have put rules in place to prevent protestors from interfering with the hunt… the distance they must maintain is certainly within a range that observation can occur

As for people being against “us”… you are missing the point. “We” don’t care who is against since we feel that we are right and feel that those who are against us have ulterior motives (massive fund raising efforts) and are misinformed. There was lots of opposition to apartheid too but that didn’t make the opposition wrong. For me it’s the principle, killing one animal in a humane way and utilizing the entire animal is no different from killing any other animal and I’ve yet to have a protestor explain why the seal hunt is different. They use words like “slaughter” and “cute” and “baby”… cut the **** and stick to the facts.

As for boycotting everything Canadian, good for you, I for one don't want some ignorant discriminatory vegan coming over here eating all our tofu and organic hot chocolate. That said, if you did hop on a kangaroo, or however you move around down there, and come to Newfoundland (that comment is there to illustrate how stupid your knuckle dragging comment sounds) I assure you that you’ll be impressed with how high from the ground our knuckles actually are.

Derek P. I'm glad you agree that you are indeed knuckle draggers, that's two things we agree on. Re my mention of bullfighting, for the umpteenth time READ MY POSTS PROPERLY BEFORE YOU COMMENT or please refrain from posting.

You too G.B. because no you don't have it straight. I have never stated that people shouldn't eat meat. That is a personal choice for each individual. Without delving too deeply into my culinary habits I have been a successful vegan for most of my adult life - that's my choice. A person does not have to eat animal products to be healthy. Comparing an animal who eats meat and a murdering seal hunter is so ridiculous that I won't bother responding.

Once again I have to repeat myself. I have no intention of going anywhere near your country because I am boycotting everything Canadian until all hunting stops.

G.B. I will gladly leave you alone. I have absolutely no interest in you or your lifestyle, but since you post your nonsense here then I of course have the right of reply.

Ok folks I have said my piece. You are very clear as to where I stand on this issue and I you. Because I am constantly repeating myself this issue has become increasingly boring so I intend to bow out because I actually have some intelligent people to speak to, but all you supporters of the seal murderers feel free to talk amongst yourselves - all 3 of you.

Oh, and Deborah, speaking of inbreeding:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/ s/afp/080407/wo...

I guess that's the kettle calling the pot black.

Humans are predators, naturally. We have the teeth and digestive capabilities for it. Now, as for bullfighting...that is NOTHING like the seal hunt. Bullfighting is basically torturing and killing animals for the entertainment of spectators...which I believe is morally wrong, incidentally (O my god...did I just agree with Deborah about something?). The seal hunt is purely about making a living. The hunters don't do it because they want to...they do it because it's a job. Some of us "knuckle draggers" actually work for a living.

Deborah, let me see if I have this straight;

Man has been on the earth for 23000-30000 years, eating meat. But somehow, in the past 50-100 we've evolved and matured into a species that shouldn't, and doesn't need it?

If it were up to me, you would be more than welcome to come here from Australia with all your knowledge and self-righteous beliefs. You could crawl out on the ice and have your ankles bitten off by a harp seal, and you could see the truth instead of what's fed to you.

Also, if you think that seal hunters would run off with their tails between their legs from a girl with a video camera with a pile of skinny stick vegan-people, you are more daft than you sound.

But if you must, book your plane ticket. I'm sure we can arrange for you to go out on a boat and witness the hunt. Let me know when you'll be here. (And for God's sake don't eat those peanuts on the plane on your way over - they have animal fat in them.)

But on a serous note, it's fine if you want to be a vegan. Really. That's your lifestyle, go ahead and do it. I don't feel the same way you do, so leave me alone.

Here is my view; I believe in not wasting anything. I recycle everything recyclable, buy products that are natural (free range eggs, my meat from an actual cattle farmer instead of a supermarket). My fish is fresh, I grow most of my own vegetables. There isn't one ounce of animal that goes in the trash. My dogs (who also eat fresh orgainic foods), are treated like gold and come from rescue centers, to whom I also donate. I am 100% against the mistreatment of animals. Animal testing is horrible, abuse by shitty pet owners is intolerable.

Also, did you know that there is not one case of a person who has lived it's entire lifetime on a vegan diet? I'm not bashing here now, I'm actually quite intrigued. How do you get your lean protein, b12, polyunsaturated fats, vitamin d, iodine, calcium, etc??

Another question that always came to mind: Animals eat meat, right? So are they cold blooded killers? Boy, those lions/sharks/seals/majority of mammals sure are THUGS. They kill and eat animals!

My “beef” with seal protesters is simply that they seem to forget their point or didn’t have one to start with and they make discriminatory comments that would not be accept table if made about any other race, religion, ethnicity, or region.

Is the problem cruelty to animals? If so, is the hunt acceptable without the clubbing of baby seals? To compare bullfighting to the seal hunt is as ignorant as making an inbred comment about sealers. Imagine if the seal hunt did not include the killing of white coats and… hypothetically speaking of course… imagine if the primary means of killing was with a riffle rather than a club and imagine if both the meat and skin was used… perhaps then.. in this hypothetical fantasy land the seal hunt would be seen as no different than killing chicken, pig, lamb… what a concept.

Is the problem utilization of the animal? I understand that the primary value of a seal is the coat but there are uses for the other parts of the animal. If it’s not cruelty but rather utilization then lets talk about what portion of the animal is used relative to other animals.

Finally I’ll state that the comments people make about sealing tend to show a deep resentment of east coast Canadians and Newfoundlanders in particular. Regularly you see comments about inbred, truck driving, welfare receiving Newfoundland sealers and while I don’t have much respect for laziness or abuse of social programs, I recognize when someone makes discriminatory comments while hiding behind a cause. Making the same comments about Inuit, Asians, or any other group or minority would be unacceptable and while I respect someone’s choice to be vegan and green I have no time for some jackass standing atop a soap box sipping an organic hot chocolate crying foul about something they have no real idea about.

Yes Deb from affluent Willodale, I’m referring to you…your “come on put your money where you moth is” shows your intellectual prowess, are you suggesting that GB organize an expedition for you and others to video the hunt or are you just making a ridiculous comment with no real point? Are you suggesting that the cowardly sealers and Canadian government are cowardly because they don’t allow protesters to interfere with the hunt and endanger themselves in the process? Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your perspective, the government has to tend to the lowest common denominator and protect morons from themselves and others slowing the process of natural selection.

I've been working at a shop that sells marine supplies for quite a while now, including supplies for seal hunters. Strange...we've never sold a hakapik! But certainly, could it be that your links and videos are outdated and/or doctored? BTW...where the hell was that jackass Paul Watson and the rest of the brain dead sea shepherd society when the once bountiful cod resource off our coast was being raped and pillaged by foreign trawlers? There's more to the sea than just seals. But then again, cod aren't quite as cute as baby seals....which doesn't fatten the pocketbooks of any big organization (greenpeace, ifaw). Again...what about the Inuit hunt? I did ask a valid question.

To all those who want to end the seal slaughter check out the link www.harpseals.org (kindly provided by Wesley S.) Sign up and begin boycotting Canadian seafood products today!

Nope G.B no leather chair here or a latte. I'm actually indulging in an organic hot chocolate and it is yummy. I am also a vegan. I eat organic and buy recycled whenever I can, so I do the best I can not to eat bits of animals.

My stand against the seal hunt has nothing to do with them being cute. I also protest against bullfighting and they are not cute animals. It is to do with animals rights and yes in days gone by when man walked along dragging his knuckles on the ground they had to kill animals to eat. However, the world has matured and progressed since then. Why is it that you receive so much critisism from all over the world? Because what you thugs are doing is no longer acceptable with the majority of people.

Hey G.B I would have no problem with witnessing a hunt but because the Canadian government and the sealers are cowards unfortunately there are laws against going anywhere near it. Get me an invitation and I will be up there with my video camera followed by anyone who wishes to come with me. We would soon see the sealer cowards run off home with their tails between their legs. Let us in there and we will soon see how many seals get killed - none! Come on put your money where you mouth is.

As I have said I couldn't care less about the sealers and making a living. Why don't you do something intelligent for a change and put your collective heads together and come up with something that you can make money out of which is enironmentally friendly and doesn't involve killing animals. Your days of killing any seals at all are numbered, but keep on fighting a losing battle if you must.

Look at me! I can post links too!

http://www.maninnature.co m/MMammals/Seal...

All heart strings aside, explain logically what the difference is between seals and any animal used for it's coat and meat? I've WITNESSED the seal hunt. It isn't NEARLY as bad as these websites claim. The seals are most DEFINITELY dead when skinned, I've seen the hunt 11 times and not ONCE have I seen anything being used other than a rifle.

Although, perhaps you know more about the seal hunt than I, seeing as how you live in Willowdale, Toronto - where I'm sure you get to see all the inner workings of a seal hunt.

Before you go ahead and tell me how all the carcasses are thrown away to rot, and no one eats the meat - go ahead and tell me if you have EVER ACTUALLY SEEN ANYTHING to do with the seal hunt that isn't jammed down your throat by a bleeding heart, "donate $$$$$" website/media propaganda.

Seriously, tell me about a time that you've got out on the ice and watched. Not a doctored video or photograph, not Paul Mccartney cuddling a seal on the ice, tell me ONE TIME you've ACTUALLY witnessed the seal hunt or any of it's effects.

Tell me also, living in WILLOWDALE, where Wikipedia states the term "monster houses" originates, have you actually gone without? Would you give up 75% of your annual income if someone had a problem with the way you made it? Because that is what you're asking a Newfoundland Seal hunter to do.

People like you are the reason why our world is the way it is right now. You are ignorant. 100 years ago there would be no **** like this constantly. You killed something because if you didn't, you'd die.

Guess what? Some people still live like that. Like I said earlier a seal hunter makes a HUGE portion of his income off the seal. Before you go and tell him to make his money some other way, understand there is no Starbucks down the road. Jobs are few and far between, and people have to do what they do to live.

Also, although I'm sure your busy posting on other very important topics like "put Queen of swords on dvd" and "save the star trek enterprise", maybe you can go ahead and tell everyone about your experience with the Canadian Seal Hunt and how it's affected your life, while you're sitting there in your leather computer chair drinking a latte.

Canadian baby seals are sold at sea by Canadians but outside of Canada. They are sold in international waters. The fourth photo down on the left shows pelts that are rejected. They are just thrown away and left on the ice to rot. (Advisory not for sensitive people). Photo HSUS 2007

http://www.harpseals.org/

BTW...the hakapik is an Inuit invention, but I never hear too much about their hunt...do they still use it? If so, have any of you protested their hunt, or are you only targeting us?

I know several sealers...none of which hunt pups. When I use to drive a truck for a living, I hauled many seal pelts. I was present for all loading and unloading...there was never a white pelt in the truck I drove.

Canadians baby seals are still hunted. Hunting baby harp seals is legal on the giant icesheets outside Canadian waters and this is where Canadian hunters go to hunt baby seals. Fisheries and Oceans do not have any juristiction on what happens outside of Canada. It's the white Harp seal pelts that bring the most money and it is the coats that are made from white baby seal fur that sell for the most and have the most demand. The demand for adult seal pelts is very limited, even so they are made into fur coats. During hunting season for baby Harp seals, Canadian seal hunters hunt outside Canadian waters and they sell the pelts to ships who come to buy the pelts during the hunting season. The ships that buy the pelts also stay out of Canadian waters and lie outside Canadian borders where again, Fisheries and Oceans do not have any jurisdiction.

How come you people aren't kicking up a stink about the astronical amounts of heroine produced in Afghanistan by local starving farmers? Why is there no "Save the Bovine" campaign? Someone tosses an image of a cute white seal pup in front of you and your chequebooks and self-righteousness instantly appear.

Start worrying about REAL problems and realize that the Seal population IS A RENEWABLE resource and SHOULD be harvested in a responsible manner. Please start focusing your energy on something that actually matters and leave the sealers and seals alone.

"After watching that I am now convinced that there is way too much inbreeding in Newfoundland."

I'm sorry, but you think that insulting an entire province will help your crusade? I have to say there is really no need to stereotype a large group of people because of a few. I think we've all seen the effects of racism and prejudice.

I am a Newfoundlander, and I haven't responded negatively to any comment from you, even though I believe that your arguments are convoluted.

TO ALL YOU PRETTY ANIMAL ANTI-KILLERS: If you think the seal hunt is immoral, you have a right to your opinion. But if you do, don't eat ANY meat (cows, pigs, etc..) Because they are all slaughtered.

Also, don't eat eggs, because chickens are kept in tiny pens in sub par condition.

Don't eat anything from your supermarket! They profit off the death of animals, so you are supporting them.

Don't eat/buy ANY of the following items - they ALL contain bits of animal:

Worcestershire sauce, Caesar salad dressing, pizza toppings.
Packaged cookies and crackers, refried beans, flour tortillas, ready-made pie crusts.
Bottled juices, colored pasta, some candies, frozen pops, "natural" cosmetics.
Garlic salt, vanilla, meat tenderizers, salad-dressing mixes.
ice cream, candy, baked goods, chewing gum, liquor (all contain animal fats)
wine, vinegar, beer, fruit juice, soft drinks
Marshmallows, yogurt, frosted cereals, gelatin-containing desserts, molded salads..
Baked goods, soft drinks, candies, frosting.
Processed foods, cosmetics, perfumes, lotions, inks, glues, automobile antifreeze.
Chewing gum, ointments, cosmetics, waterproof coatings
Cereal, candy, chocolate, baked goods, margarine, vegetable oil sprays, cosmetics, and ink, Digestive aids, Margarine, mincemeat, pastries, bird feed, tallow, Waxed paper, margarine, soaps, crayons, candles, rubber, Vitamin supplements, etc....

Live only on what you plant in the ground. (And realistically, plant life is alive too - so you are killing innocent living things to live.)

Don't drive or use an oil furnace. The refineries that make your fuel are polluting the earth. Smoke stacks that billow into the sky poisons the pretty little animals lungs. Oil spills destroy sea life and birds.

Don't touch money. Money comes from trees. Come to think of it, don't use toilet paper either. Poor living trees had to die for that which you just wiped your ass with.

I know I may be a little over the top, but seriously, don't be a hypocrite. Just because an animal is cute and cuddly (And believe me, if you've actually seen a harp seal on the ice, you wouldn't think their cute), doesn't mean they are any more important than all the other living things.

If a human was unattractive, would you think it was ok to kill him/her?

Think logically.

gb

Let's change the world for the better. This has to stop. All creatures belong here just as much as humans. If it is such a problem send them to Aquariums,Zoos or relocate them elsewhere. It is a shame such a innocent and beautiful little creature has to endure this senseless abuse.

I have just had a look at the telegraph.co.uk footage further down this page and it contains brief interviews with a couple of seal murderers. After watching that I am now convinced that there is way too much inbreeding in Newfoundland. Doyle Brown came across as a right halfwit and the other guy wasn't much better, which just goes to show the type of people who are out there killing seals.

It assume it is illegal for a guy to marry his sister in Newfoundland.