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UCFSD Construction and Renovation ProjectForum Discussion for UCFSD Construction and Renovation Project Submitted by t p. on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 15:37
This referendum was quite different than last time. Last time we had to decide yes or no to spend sixty two and a half million dollars to correct the problems at the school. There is no argument about the need to correct the problems and get rid of the trailers. This time we had to agree not only to pay the same amount of money, but to do it through uncertain revenue sources. A consulting group seems to think that we can get as much as twenty million dollars donated through a capital campaign. That would be great, but we can't spend that money before we get it. Have they ever raised money for a public school before? Are there really corporations out there that are eager to donate to the most affluent school district in the state of Pennsylvania? I sure hope so. There are a lot of needs among our schools but only a limited amount of money available. The schools are largely responsible for our high property values but if taxes go too high it may have a negative effect. We know that more money will be available in the next few years when we start paying off debt for all the elementary schools. But at the same time the district is growing. Even though all four elementary schools are relatively new now, we made need to expand them soon. The middle school needs work soon. We knew about the needs for the high school years ago but we are just acting now when things have reached a crisis. The middle school will also reach a crisis if we don't act promptly. Schools are not built overnight. It takes years of planning. We need to save some money for the middle school or at least plan for it. Having high school kids going outside of a locked school building to take classes in trailers is a very bad situation. Having middle school students do that is much worse - they are young kids. The public has spoken. Intelligent people who understand the financing needs believe that it is a very dangerous financial plan to fund this 'under the cap'. The cost of living is going up. Diesel fuel is over four dollars a gallon. Our transportation costs will surely increase and we can't cut back on that. We can't drive only some of the students to school. We also can't cut back on salaries or on debt service. there just isn't enough money to pay for everything we want right now. We should do what we have to do to keep the school safe and comply with government mandates and educate our children properly. Things that are not essential can wait. Mr. Murray says that if the roof on your house is leaking you should fix it right away because it will cost more later. I agree with him but also think that if you need to put on a new roof maybe you should wait to build that patio that you want. Submitted by dsf s. on Mon, 05/26/2008 - 03:52
The high school is a locked building? Since when? If you consider the security at the front doors a reason that the school is safer than the trailers in back, you're kidding yourself. And as an aside, the student-made video on YouTube highlights issues that were around when I was a student 5 years ago. A locker too small? Really? And hey, there was no turf when I played field hockey either, but we still gave other schools' teams a run for their money. And yes, the trailers were annoying (especially because we had to lose the courtyard to gain them), but like I said before, please don't kid yourself into thinking that they're less safe than the building itself. Anyone could walk in at anytime; I never felt safe with the "rent-a-cops," as we fondly called them. But my favorite of all time has to be no AC. Please! We survived, and no worse for the wear. Now, the safety issues with the labs and poor ventilation of work areas are one thing, but as a former student, some of these other complaints are superficial--certainly not a "crisis"; why I voted no. Submitted by A N. on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 15:27
The 62.5 million dollar plan has many flaws and it a sacred cow that apparently cannot be touched. We do not need astroturf (especially in view of the two schools in New Jersey who have found high lead levels in the astroturf material). We do not need a greenhouse or a second gym. We need to fix the floor of the original gym. We do not need a weight room or whirlpool spas for the athletes. The road that goes through by the school is going to have to be crossed by the kids everyday and is a safety hazard. We do not need a yoga room. Why can't these kids go to the YMCA? Why should taxpayers provide everything. Is the astroturf, etc. really so important that it means that it torpedos the entire project in the minds of the voters? The education of our children is being jeopardized by the inflexible school board who refuses to change any aspect of the plan because they are so convinced they are right. Please note that Timotha Trigg is the exception. She voted against putting this last referendum out to the voters. If we want modifications to the plan, we are not uninformed or stupid. We are as concerned as the people who voted yes. Submitted by Kristin H. on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 14:22
I voted for the referendum the first time and against it the second time. There are several issues that concern me. Under the cap finance options do not seem viable without cuts to the 13% of the budget which has any flexibility because the remainder of the budget represents fixed costs. Energy costs, salaries, healthcare and transportation will all increase. This means that the types of things that could be cut are curriculum programs, the number of teachers and paraprofessionals, textbooks, technology and routine maintenance. We do not want our children to be in a situation where bricks and mortar are done at the expense of the quality of the education the students receive in the building. Under the cap finance options tie the hands of future school boards for 25 years. It disturbed me greatly that the School Board did not show how much the program would cost with interest. Anybody who buys a car or a house understands that interest charges are significant and that the cost is not simply 62.5 million interest free. Spreadsheets being circulated by the yes people described debt service calculations without any regard to the actual costs of the project. One cannot do calculations on 62.5 million (with 32.5 under the cap) without giving consideration to interest payments. They also intend to borrow money to pay interest charges which seems financially unstable. Additionally, I am concerned about the polarizing environment this has brought to the community. People are afraid to say how they voted because they don't want to be labeled. No voters get negatively characterized as cheap, uncaring about education, people who don't love their children, people who don't care about the community, too dumb or too lazy to tour the school or unconcerned about our children's safety. None of this is true. The negativity that has come seems, at least in my view, to have come from the Yes PAC and School Board itself (with the exception of Timotha Trigg). Nasty cartoons have circulated portraying no voters as hillbilly hicks, etc. When I worked for the plan the first time, I was shunned when I tried to tell them that the plan was going to fail because of mistakes they were making. Nobody had a problem when the Pocopson Democrats went through their rules and procedures to endorse the plan. However, when we did exactly the same process to recommend a no vote, then the nasty rumor mill stuff started about how we did something illegal and dishonest. E-mails from the yes people have circulated that "the bad guys won" and none of this is true. Nobody won because we don't have the school fixed. We have to stop this name calling and get the school fixed. We have to get the Board to convene a group of all different points of view to look at the plans and differentiate between wants and needs. We have to make some cuts to the plan. Is anybody going to be less educated if they don't get a new extremities water bath in the athletic area? What about starting from scratch and building a new high school at a different and less congested location? New construction is always cheaper than retrofitting old construction. We need less name calling and labeling and more thinking out of the box problem solving. We need it now! Submitted by marg s. on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 22:53
It is extemely disappointing and frustrating to see the referendum voted down yet again. This not only prolongs the time until much needed updating is done at our high school, but further pushes back improvements needed at the Middle School as well. Submitted by Kristin H. on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 14:46
Dear Marg, Your characterization of the no voter is a bit stereotypical and reflects exactly why we need a dialogue. The presumption by YES voters (and it is specifically the YES PAC people to whom I am referring) is that all of us no people are misinformed or uninformed. The YES PAC people and the School Board are so intent on how "right" they are that there is no other way of looking at things. Either you parse the facts just as they have and agree of you are somehow misguided or uninformed. We no voters have studied the plans, studied the spreadsheets, studied the debt calculations, attended meetings and written letters and e-mails to the school board seeking more information. Information from the School Board does not come once you have been characterized as even a doubter. You get shunned by the YES PAC people. The Efficient Education people have been made fun of by the school board in public at meetings. Yet, it was the Efficient Education people who pointed out that a greenhouse has been in the plan all along. After the School Board made fun of them in an entire meeting, they realized that there is, in fact, what they term a botany area on the corner of the environmental science lab that does indeed have glass where plants are expected to be grown. Nobody should be treated badly just because they disagree. The Efficient Education people actually know the specifics of the plan better than the School Board. I do not agree with much of what the Efficient Education people believe, but I was a strong no voter this last time around. One cannot lump everybody together in a negative way. This is not the role model we need to be for our children. Please remember that the no voters are in the majority! Submitted by John B. on Sun, 04/27/2008 - 16:25
I will admit that I voted yes and I also must admit I am doing so with not all the information needed to make a reasonably sound decision. That being said, could you please provide myself as well as others the following: Submitted by Kristin H. on Sun, 04/27/2008 - 18:34
I couldn't figure out how to post the supporting documents. I can send you stuff if you e-mail me (bkris@aol.com) or you can contact Keith who is in charge of the efficient education group at efficienteducation@verizon.net. You won't get an immediate response because the people are out of town at the moment. Submitted by Tracy T. on Sun, 04/27/2008 - 17:33
Yes, I agree. Can anyone post documents for us? If you go up to the spot on this webpage where you can vote, you can post supporting documents under your vote of choice. It would be great to have any documents that you refer to located here. Thanks! Submitted by Tracy T. on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 01:52
Hi, Submitted by Will T. on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 21:09
Hi, I am a ten year old boy that goes to a school in the UCFSD and I want everyone who sees this to eventually VOTE YES! :) From, VOTE YES Loading People... |